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		<title>By: the tunes we fiddle while america is burning &#124; get angry WITH me!</title>
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		<dc:creator>the tunes we fiddle while america is burning &#124; get angry WITH me!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] consensual sex with a 15-year-old student, just committed suicide. regular readers of this blog already know how i feel about these kinds of relations: most 15 year-old-boys wish they could be so lucky. rest [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] consensual sex with a 15-year-old student, just committed suicide. regular readers of this blog already know how i feel about these kinds of relations: most 15 year-old-boys wish they could be so lucky. rest [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jackie sheeler</title>
		<link>http://getangrywithme.com/2008/12/common-sense-law/comment-page-1/#comment-23569</link>
		<dc:creator>jackie sheeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this isn&#039;t quite &quot;again&quot; -- there&#039;s a universe of difference between 13 years old and 17 years old. at 13, i agree that it is assault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this isn&#8217;t quite &#8220;again&#8221; &#8212; there&#8217;s a universe of difference between 13 years old and 17 years old. at 13, i agree that it is assault.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 14:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jackie, the whole concept of teenage boys wanting nothing more than to get laid, and these hot teachers providing that for them sounds like common sense on the surface, but let&#039;s think of that for a minute.  How would the public react to teacher who was older and far less pleasant to look at (someone he would be less apt to brag about), and a boy who was, say 15 instead of 16.  Now the case looks more like manipulation and taking advnatage than it does a no brainer for both parties, but if the law allowed for the teenage boys to get it wherever they could, teachers not excluded, then the manipulative relationship would be legal, and common sense would again be under assault.  The point is, as much as a kid wants to hook up with his teacher, it is unethical and wrong for the teacher to take advantage of that.  

As far as the legal response, the point is to make the penalty tough enough so that those who might be influenced by witnessing the results will be deterred and those who commit the crime can suffer only as much as is necessary to correct the behavior.  It is a very tough balance to hit and rarely do the results have full agreement.  If we start tailoring too much, then we have what there is already too much of, injustice -This teacher was hot, so let&#039;s not punish her.  That teacher was fat an ugly, so she should get more jail time because the kid surely didn&#039;t want to sleep with her without being manipulated.  You see how it doesn&#039;t work?  So in the end, one rule, everyone follows it, and justice SHOULD be blind.  

In the end, she knew better but ultimately she broke the law and destroyed her career over sex with a teenage boy, something that most women will tell you is usually way below par.  What does that tell us?  It tells us that she either has no regard for the law, no regard for the kid&#039;s personal boundaries (as mentioned above), no regard for her career, poor judgement, some form of mental illness, or some combination of the above.  Whatever the case may be, something is rotten in Denmark and it is a good thing it was caught and is being dealt with.  

And I cannot imagine what it would be like for this kid, at 16, for the rest of his highschool career.  What has he learned?  Should he hit on any teacher he has a crush on?  How confused will he be when this is discouraged to the point that he finds it is EXTREMELY inappropriate?  Bad enough to be thinking of your math teacher&#039;s thong at that age, but to be thinking she rejected you, and then you only got a 72 on the final- is it because she doesn&#039;t think you&#039;re good enough to sleep with- was she insulted?  Maybe you should have sent flowers first?  Hormones also have a way of screwing with anger and rage, and those are the years we&#039;re supposed to be getting that under control.  I would not want to be in this kid&#039;s head for the next few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jackie, the whole concept of teenage boys wanting nothing more than to get laid, and these hot teachers providing that for them sounds like common sense on the surface, but let&#8217;s think of that for a minute.  How would the public react to teacher who was older and far less pleasant to look at (someone he would be less apt to brag about), and a boy who was, say 15 instead of 16.  Now the case looks more like manipulation and taking advnatage than it does a no brainer for both parties, but if the law allowed for the teenage boys to get it wherever they could, teachers not excluded, then the manipulative relationship would be legal, and common sense would again be under assault.  The point is, as much as a kid wants to hook up with his teacher, it is unethical and wrong for the teacher to take advantage of that.  </p>
<p>As far as the legal response, the point is to make the penalty tough enough so that those who might be influenced by witnessing the results will be deterred and those who commit the crime can suffer only as much as is necessary to correct the behavior.  It is a very tough balance to hit and rarely do the results have full agreement.  If we start tailoring too much, then we have what there is already too much of, injustice -This teacher was hot, so let&#8217;s not punish her.  That teacher was fat an ugly, so she should get more jail time because the kid surely didn&#8217;t want to sleep with her without being manipulated.  You see how it doesn&#8217;t work?  So in the end, one rule, everyone follows it, and justice SHOULD be blind.  </p>
<p>In the end, she knew better but ultimately she broke the law and destroyed her career over sex with a teenage boy, something that most women will tell you is usually way below par.  What does that tell us?  It tells us that she either has no regard for the law, no regard for the kid&#8217;s personal boundaries (as mentioned above), no regard for her career, poor judgement, some form of mental illness, or some combination of the above.  Whatever the case may be, something is rotten in Denmark and it is a good thing it was caught and is being dealt with.  </p>
<p>And I cannot imagine what it would be like for this kid, at 16, for the rest of his highschool career.  What has he learned?  Should he hit on any teacher he has a crush on?  How confused will he be when this is discouraged to the point that he finds it is EXTREMELY inappropriate?  Bad enough to be thinking of your math teacher&#8217;s thong at that age, but to be thinking she rejected you, and then you only got a 72 on the final- is it because she doesn&#8217;t think you&#8217;re good enough to sleep with- was she insulted?  Maybe you should have sent flowers first?  Hormones also have a way of screwing with anger and rage, and those are the years we&#8217;re supposed to be getting that under control.  I would not want to be in this kid&#8217;s head for the next few years.</p>
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		<title>By: jackie sheeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackie sheeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i want to thank melissa and marcus for their very thoughtful comments -- they both made a lot of good points. it&#039;s a complex question, and there&#039;s never going to be one right answer. my hope is that we, as a society, can find a better way of handling these things than automatically sending someone to jail based solely on their age. unquestionably, some of these major/minor sexual encounters are horrendous and jail time is absolutely the correct response. i simply don&#039;t think it&#039;s the correct response in every case. perhaps not even in most cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i want to thank melissa and marcus for their very thoughtful comments &#8212; they both made a lot of good points. it&#8217;s a complex question, and there&#8217;s never going to be one right answer. my hope is that we, as a society, can find a better way of handling these things than automatically sending someone to jail based solely on their age. unquestionably, some of these major/minor sexual encounters are horrendous and jail time is absolutely the correct response. i simply don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the correct response in every case. perhaps not even in most cases.</p>
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